unless you are a serious SA music fundi, chances are the name Schalk Joubert means little to you. Which is a pity, because this man is doing some outrageously incredible things. Currently bashing about Europe with various artists, Schalk took some time out to answer some questions.. and as you will see, the answers make for VERY interesting and educational reading.
be warned, this is a long one, but its worth it!
1)Big Things first: Where are you now and who are you playing with/for?
I am currently in Amsterdam, I have been spending a few days of leisure here and in Paris but came over to do some performances with Breyten Breytenbach and an incredible Dutch jazz pianist called Jeroen van Vliet as well as some shows with Afrikaans Poet/Singer-songwriter Gert Vlok Nel. It is Breyten's 70th birthday this year and they had a whole week of festivities of music as well as exhibitions of his art and books etc in the Netherlands.
I also come to the Netherlands a lot with Gert Vlok Nel. He got signed to Munich Records here and have been playing sold out shows all over the Netherlands for the last few years including great venues like "The Paradiso" in Amsterdam (this is where the Rolling Stones recorded one of their famous live albums).
Apart from this tour I have just returned from the States where I have been touring with American singer/songwriter Michelle Shocked for almost two months.
We did an West Coast Tour in April and an East Coast Tour in May.
In SA I still regularly perform with Artists like Anton Goosen, Lesley Rae Dowling, Laurinda Hofmeyr and a whole array of freelance and studio jobs
2)Can you explain how that came about? How did you get the job?
With Michelle it came via Grahamstown Festival. She came out to perform at the festival in 2006 and only brought a trumpeter/multi-instrumentalist called Rich Armstrong with her. She asked for a rhythm section and myself and Kevin Gibson (we were playing with Robin Auld at the same venue and she got to hear us there) got to play with her.
This was great since I have been a fan of her music for many years and knew all the songs so we got to walk onstage with almost no rehearsal and just clicked immediately. She then came back to SA for another few shows organized by the people of Oppikoppi promotions. Myself and Johnny Clegg's fantastic drummer, Barry van Zyl did a mini tour with her. We stayed in touch and then she booked myself and Barry along with a Guitarist called Duane Jarvis and a Keyboard player from LA called Carl Byron for a long tour in England, Scotland and Wales.
Since then I have also played festivals in Australia with her and the the long tours in the States earlier this year. Further tours are planned in the UK and States from September to November. On the last two tours I have also been the musical director in her band which involves me rehearsing the band or the freelance musicians we play with.
3) What’s it like touring with a big international star?
Well, the biggest lesson was to experience the 200% dedication she walks out on a stage with every single performance and her ability to get an audience to eat right out of her hands. This intensity also forces you to step up your game a bit and to deliver shows with the same vigor and focus.
We did quite a lot of smaller performances in the States where it was just myself and Michelle doing unplugged duo gigs. This was a great experience since it gave me some real chance to play very creatively and focus on sensitive musicality in contrast to the bigger shows which relied a lot more on groove and energy.
Michelle has a great management team which also makes sure that everything goes according to plan so all you really need to do is to focus on the music and performances during the tours.
4) Would you say your grounding as a gun for hire in SA helped you do this?
Absolutely, I think that every person that you get to play with or that crosses your path in your musical journey teaches you something, even if it is what not to do he he! It also teaches you the basic Psychology of working with people and how to be someone that is a pleasure to work with. A lot of great musicians have no work because of their attitudes. Over the last ten years or so I have had the priviledge to have work with fantastic artists in SA like Vusi Mahlasela, Anton Goosen, David Kramer as well as some great jazz musicians like Gloria Bosman, Shannon Mowday and many more. Then there were hundreds of album recordings, pantomimes, TV stuff etc. Everything adds up in the end to make you a better player and more importantly a great team player in music.
5) Looking at the standard of musicians that you play with every day, so you think many SA guys you know could also jump on the circuit or do we need to up our game?
Absolutely, we have some outstanding world class musicians here in SA but then again, the level is very high overseas. You will walk into any tiny little bar in New York or LA or London and hear unknown guys playing fantastic songs and playing the hell out of their instruments. The trick is to be aware of what that level is I suppose and to be really hungry and focused to go out there and seize every chance you get to move a step up in your career.
6) Looking back at the SA music business from where you are now, what’s the biggest thing that needs to change in order for our industry to grow?
The music business in South Africa is a very strange thing indeed. I am not always sure if most musicians have any idea how it works out there. (I am talking more about commercial music here because I think the Jazz musicians might have a better idea of how it works in the global industry.)
A lot of the bands seem to think that you play gigs at your local club or a few selected venues around the country and maybe a few festivals, win over a few thousand or hundred local fans and that the next step is that you stand a chance to get signed to some major label and they will turn you into a big star.
This is not how it works. There is a hell of a lot of music out there in the world so the chances of this are very very small!
Also, there are many many layers and levels of success between being in a band that has a bit of success locally and some band the size of Radiohead, U2, Metallica or the Red Hot Chilli Peppers.
The first thing they need to realise is that it is a full time job and that you will need to get off your ass and start touring, touring touring.
Look at Johnny Clegg, who has had huge success in his career, he still spends 6 - 8 months of the year all over the world touring and taking his music to the people.
A lot of bands in the world might never make it to the cover of Rolling Stone magazine but they have very successful careers touring the circuits in Europe, the States, Australia etc.
On some those circuits you will find people like Suzanne Vega, Geoffrey Oreyema, JJ Cale, Tower of Power and a whole list of other people that you might never even hear of in your life all playing the same venues to sell-out audiences and making good money.
Bands here need to get connected to good promoters overseas. A lot of the venues attach more value to the promoters' name than that of the artists they represent.
That is talking about overseas market but if you just think about touring in SA, I think that a lot of these Afrikaans singers, whether you like them or despise them have all realised that South Africa does not only consist of JHB/Pretoria, Cape Town, Durban and Bloemfontein. They get in their vans and play every town hall, school hall and motorcycle funeral house or whatever they can get in every little town and dive across the country.
That is why those guys like Theuns Jordaan, Steve Hofmeyr etc sell hundreds and hundreds of thousands of records, not just because there is a loyal fan base in Afrikaans people but due to the fact that they bother to take their music to the people.
7) How is playing Bass for Michelle Shocked helping your own musical career (creatively speaking)?
At the moment it is an amazing way of meeting great people, engineers and musicians in various parts of the world. I suppose it also gives gives you some confidence in the fact that years of working at your craft meets a certain standard that can compete globally.
It is all still in beginning phases for me in the way I see it, so I hope that it will continue to expose me to better and better things in life. I have released my own solo cd in 2007 called Kayamandi with which I have had the opportunity to play some national and international festivals as well (for more info please google "Genting International Jazz Festival 2008"). Michelle has been giving me quite a lot of exposure on this as well since she gives me a feature solo spot on all the gigs that we do as a duo.
8) Is it as glamorous as everyone likes to make out touring the world in a band?
Not always, touring is hard and it is not always easy to get along with the people you tour with. Sometimes it takes a lot of grinding on your teeth. The gigs are always great but it always involves a lot of schlepp; early flights, long drives in tour vans or cars, constant sound checks, hotel check-ins, rigging, de-rigging and time away from home and your loved ones.
However, having said that, it gives you the chance to see places and meet people that you would never get around to do otherwise. Also, having the opportunity to play music at a high level to very appreciative crowds is the thing that most musicians strive towards so it really makes it feel like this is where you belong as a musician. The important part for me is to always keep things in perspective. As I said, there are many levels of success and many levels of skill so it is important to try and keep things in balance in your life and to use success as an inspiration to work harder at what you do in order to keep on doing better things in music rather than to give yourself a pat on the back and to think that simply by the fact that you appear on a stage makes you more important as a human being. You normally find that the best musicians are also the most down-to-earth and humble people.
9) What are the single most challenging, and the most rewarding things about what you are doing now?
As I said just now, the hardest thing is to keep a check on yourself and to realise that there are many levels of success and to always try and better yourself. Also, to try and appreciate every moment and chance that you get. As a musician there is no certainty that things will continue the way they are. For me it is important to try and walk out on stage every time that I get to perform and to do it with the best of focus and attitude that I can. There will always be people that see you for the first time and it is up to you to respect them and give them all you have.
10) Once this current tour is over, what lies ahead for Schalk Joubert?
Well, more touring, touring touring. There are tours planned with Michelle to the UK and the US later this year. Also a tour to Japan with two of my friends from New York, Mike and Nick who used to play in Sons of Trout with me. I will also be producing Koos Kombuis' new album a bit later this year. I produced his last album and we had a blast doing it so I am really looking forward to it. I am also writing again for a new solo album. Also looking forward to just spending a little time at home, I live on a wine farm in Stellenbosch and I really miss that!